Ask HN: Is the American System Unraveling?
I've been wondering this question for a while the last couple years but my non-conspiracy side would say that all systems/empires would go through turbulent times.
However, seeing Trump coin yesterday made me question if something is unraveling here. How is this even acceptable? How is this not being debated here in HN (the submissions were not upvoted). There has been a lot of political chaos as of late but I do find this to be a quite huge red-flag. How is this not being opposed by anybody? How is nobody investigating this?
As someone outside of the US, I'm sure this is happening in other countries too but watching it from afar without a political party alliance or direct bias that I am aware of, it just seems crazy.
People like Musk, pumping in millions of dollars, running fake competitions to register to vote for Trump in swing states, then once winning being included on phone calls to other heads of states and having a top government job (What!?)
Dropping a meme coin days before joining office.
Having a large amount of people that absoutely did not support him previously, suddenly paying lots of money to his inauguration fund. Particularly big tech companies. To carry favour.
The TikTok ban, which started when he was in office and now TikTok are literally sending messages to everyone in the US with his name on and saying when he takes office they hope it gets sorted. That's like brainwashing millions of kids into supporting him, it's an incredibly unprofessional sounding message.
It seems his erratic but bold behaviour has actually worked. He won the election easily and he has got people and the other countries lining up to support him, because they know that is how he works and if they don't, they fear what he could do. It's both terrifying and interesting to watch, how he's managed to get everyone fall inline.
as someone outside the usa.. biden's legacy is larger gap between the poor and the rich, unqualified people getting hired out of dei instead of merits, lots of illegal immigrants geting in usa and doing crimes, and an unnecessary war between ukraine and russia.
am i wrong lol
You are absolutely wrong.
It's true! The Biden legacy also strongly features the coordinated coverup of his dementia!
You should read the book “LikeWar”. It helps to understand some of the current political landscape.
It is very valuable to maintain your scepticism, autonomy and not claim you might be a conspiracty theorist.
It is far too easy to claim everyone with a different opinion is a conspiracy theorist.
When people claim that a person is a conspiracy theorist it is a means of shutting down their opinion so that only those others opinions become valid and heard.
People then get frightened of expressing their opinions and views and so you only hear one story.
https://roblog.co.uk/2025/01/the-new-luddites/
https://pluralistic.net/2025/01/10/smoke-filled-room-where-i...
https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/why-does-ozempic-cure-all-d...
https://off-guardian.org/2025/01/18/who-are-the-elite/
Today everything is performance. But there never was a system to unravel: the rural mindset doesn't do system.
> the rural mindset doesn't do system
Can you explain that in more detail? I live in a rural area and see all the same systems of local government systems here as I did when I lived in large cities. Different scale, same systems. So I truly don't know what you are getting at.
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Comments, debate, indignant articles and analysis of Trump’s coin all over the news. Try sites with more political content. HN guidelines tell us to steer clear of politics.
When you figure out how to investigate a scam perpetrated publicly and openly, or how to effectively “oppose” anything Trump and his sycophants do, let us know.
Yes, indubitably.
Whatever your political persuasion may be, the facts are that a felon, rapist, and insurrectionist who actively and very visibly tried to steal the last election just became president. And now oligarchs are falling over themselves to feed him money.
We are toast because our polity is brain-rotted. No sensible and educated society would vote these terrible people into power.
(Though to what extent democracy will unravel remains to be seen. Trump is stupid and ineffective and the country has been through worse.)
I'm not sure the Trump coin breaks any laws. It's a bit tacky, sure, but at the end of the day it's just money transfer from Trump fans to Trump and friends and they can do it if they want.
Because Democrats continue to play by 'the rules', which only works if everyone else does. And Republicans don't.
Quite frankly, this is starting to remind me of the lead-up to the civil war.
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see how you have to pivot into a false binary equivalency in order to make your point?
I'm literally responding to a comparison.
Your highlighting of a Trump coin is funny. Much worse has happened, Citizens United v FEC, Bush v Gore. The fact that anyone seriously cares about this Trump coin in the grand scheme of things just shows how obsessed the media is with this guy.
That being said, blatantly boosting your own meme crypto is bad, yes, but is hardly some indication that the American system is unraveling. It's just one that the correct head is not shy about grifting.
If Trump must be mentioned, the presidential immunity decision is more an indication of any unraveling than crypto grifts.
Interesting take.....
The court decisions you mentioned aren't exactly the doing of one person? I think that's the difference. We're giving this attention because the grifting is more visible and because it's directly attributable to one person. "Which one is worse" is not really an important conversation, is it? It's about the fact that we see clearly where the fault/corruption lies and there appears to be no concern to correct it.
It happens because it happens. Would you be questioning it if you made a boat load of money off it?